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Re: very sad.... No more....
If you use KDE, have you tried the File Manager (super user mode) menu item
in the System menu. It works the way you suggested in your first paragraph.
If you use Windows 9x or ME, there are no user spaces. You can log in as
multiple users, but it really doesn't mean anything. With NT and 2000, on
the other hand, you can log in as Administrator or a regular user. If you
don't set permissions up correctly, you end up having to login as
Administrator to do anything important. Windows doesn't ask you for a
password and then let you perform a given task. It just tells you that the
Admin user has to do whatever you're trying to do at the time. You have to
logout and log back in as the Administrator. If you set up your machine so
that all you users have admin rights, you defeat the purpose of having these
different accounts. It is the same with Linux.
If you really don't like logging in as root to do admin type tasks, why don't
you try booting linux into single user mode? I recommend against this for
security reasons, but if that's what you want, maybe this is the way to go
for you.
I understand that you are trying to make Linux (or Libranet's distro of it
anyway) more friendly for yourself, but to me (and obviously others since it
works this way) it is much easier to login as root, start X and do whatever
admin tasks you want than it is to be constantly typing your admin password
everytime you click on an icon that requires admin privilages. I admit it
takes a logout, a login, but isn't that exactly the way Windows NT and 2000
work (unless you futs around with permissions)?
I don't mean to offend, I just don't understand the complaint.
On Sunday 03 June 2001 10:53 am, Cyberclops wrote:
> No, I want the GUI file manager such as Konqueror or Gnome File Manager to
> switch to "root" mode while I'm still in "user" mode .
>
> I agree with you that Adminmenu is very well conceived. It's one of the
> reasons I choose to stick with Libranet. Basically Adminmenu would need to
> incorporate some sort of "sudo" configuration that would be similar to the
> kernel recompile section. I'm not a programmer or a system administrator,
> I'm a user.
>
> As a user, I would like an OS that's easy for me to use.
>
> I already stated, I'm not particularly interested in returning to Mandrake
> for a variety or reasons. Yet at the same time, it's easy to see Mandrake
> is on the conceptually right track. It's their implementation that's a
> failure.
>
> It's sort of like Nautilus it was sort of a good concept, but an effort
> that ended in failure at least for now. My guess is that one of the
> reasons they closed their doors was that they realized their end product
> was basically a flop. I question even including it in Libranet other than
> as a curiosity for people to look at that haven't seen it or used it. It's
> not something I like or would want to use.
>
> Contrast Adminmenu to Nautilus. Adminmenu has a clean simple user GUI
> subsequently menu driven interface that works. Nautilus has a complex GUI
> with many unnecessary features which might or might not be wanted, but in
> the end is a failure because it doesn't work. It locks up the computer.
> System crashes are not user friendly no matter from what type of user
> interface they are propagated.
>
> Jason Collison wrote:
> > What is really strange is that the feature they want, I seem to have. I'm
> > running gnome, and I have a Libranet Adminmenu icon on my desktop (it
> > came with the installation) and if I click it, it asks me for the root
> > password, I put it in, and then I'm in adminmenu. Is this not what you
> > wanted??
> >
> > Also, I have used mandrakes 'Drakeconf' before, and I'm really not that
> > impressed with it. I think libranet does a much better job with
> > xadminmenu. First, xadminmenu lets you compile and install a kernell with
> > out all the fuss and muss. Want a new kernel in mandrake? Unless you want
> > to go the old fashion way (which is perfectly legit mind you...I just
> > love home much simple xadminmenu is for making changes to your config)
> > you will have to install two rpms on your system (and say your prayers
> > while installing them...mandrake marks them as important upgrades, but
> > also warns you that you are better off compiling your kernel and that you
> > can really mess things up this way). Second, xadminmenu gives you Desktop
> > properties that let you do nice things like change your default window
> > manager (drake 7.2 was a real pain in the ass if you wanted to go to
> > something other than KDE. 8.0 was a little better, but not as easy as
> > libranet...note this applies to non gdm/kdm running people).
> >
> > If you really want to try mandrake, go for it. I believe that they do
> > good job of spreading linux. But my guess is that once you try it, you
> > will find yourself missing libranet...missing apt....missing
> > xdminmenu...and will end up right back where you started.
> >
> > Jason
> >
> > On Sat, 2 Jun 2001, Roger Micone wrote:
> > > Why are you hestitant to learn Linux. You obviously have the
> > > intelligence to switch to using a great OS, not only Debian/GNU linux,
> > > but Libranet, so why do you stop there... dive right in! I see so many
> > > posts about complaints and the directions of Libranet. Give me a
> > > break! Unless you are sifting through code right now trying to
> > > contribute to the development of the os itself, sit back, and enjoy
> > > what the Linux community and Libranet coders have set in front of you.
> > > Yes you paid your $20 for the cd but this is not M$. I may be rambling
> > > a bit but this was a fairly long thread and it made me irk in my chair
> > > reading it. Needless to say I make myself irk in my chair all too
> > > often but... well... I guess. This mailing list is intended to
> > > facilitate the learning of the Libranet distro, not to start flame wars
> > > on what ticky tack feature you would like. Shit... There are so many
> > > features in Linux I know I will probably never get to explore all of
> > > them. But a solid foundati!
> >
> > on and understanding of the Unix o
> >
> > > On Sat, Jun 02, 2001 at 11:13:24AM -0600, Cyberclops wrote:
> > > > That's what I'm afraid of. Mandrake is going to beat everyone to the
> > > > gun on the ease of issue. I would try it, but I'm still suffering
> > > > burnout form 7.2 and besides I like Libranet.
> > > >
> > > > Alexander Skwar wrote:
> > > > > So sprach Cyberclops am Sat, Jun 02, 2001 at 09:51:14AM -0600:
> > > > > > how to set it up. What I'm thinking is that it would really be
> > > > > > nice if Libranet could figure out a way to build "sudo" into the
> > > > > > "Adminmenu." In such a way that
> > > > >
> > > > > The way it is in Mandrake, if you, as a normal user, click on some
> > > > > kind of admin tool, a dialog pops up asking you for the root
> > > > > password. That's very nice. No need to login as root.
> > > > >
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